Anonymous forum poster delivers Knock Out Punch to Christian extremists knocking Caitlyn Jenner

christians huckabee jennerLEXIE CANNES STATE OF TRANS — To no one’s surprise, Christian extremists took to the airwaves and internet with the usual vile and hatred following Caitlyn Jenner’s coming out.

By happenstance, forwarded to me today was a response from an anonymous forum member in reply to a vile statement about Caitlyn posted earlier in the day by another member. In my opinion, this person’s reply is likely among the all-time great rebuttals to those who hate in the name of Christ. Amazingly spot-on with writing skills most writers dream of having, I was both impressed and entertained!

I’m reproducing the conversation here. I’ve changed usernames and made a few edits. The forum is neither religious or LGBT orientated, nor is it a news site’s “comments section.” Just ordinary people discussing matters of varying topics.

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Christian Bob:

“If you don’t consider what Bruce Jenner is doing to his life as perverted, we’ve lost society as we know it…heck…who’s he fooling…keeping the plumbing he was born with…he’s still a male. There’s some really sick stuff going down here…they all just need some real help.   . . .   No hate here…just concern about lives…don’t believe me…that’s your concern.”

Forum Lurker:

Well, Christian Bob, you’ve truly outdone yourself. And in finding a new low bar to scuttle beneath have compelled me to make a rare appearance on this forum to offer a rejoinder on behalf of those of us not blissfully swimming in an ocean of ignorance.

To state the obvious: No, I don’t consider what Caitlyn Jenner has done with her life as perverted. I’m quite confident not only that I’m not alone in that opinion, but that yours is actually the opinion in the minority. Thankfully, your version of “society as you know it” has not truly existed anywhere in the real world for many decades. If ever. I.e. Many of the cherished chestnuts the far right clings to regarding the so called good old days are completely manufactured and lack all historical context or nuance and are invariably chained to (then) contemporary social convention.

While your opinions are certainly yours to hold and you have every right to express them, others in turn have the option of pointing out they’re utterly contemptible and offensive. “No hate here”, you claim apparently failing to appreciate the irony. And I suspect knowing full well you sound completely hateful; thus feeling the need to preemptively offer a limp and unsupportable defense.

I mean, really. What great “Christian” or “conservative” values are being upheld by your sick refutation of Caitlyn Jenner? It’s certainly not love. It’s not empathy. It’s not acceptance. It’s not kindness or understanding. It’s not even base level human sympathy as evidenced by your sneering, ignorant, and judgmental commentary regarding “his plumbing”. Way to represent those “Christian” ideals you’re always blathering about there, pal.

Either you don’t know, (which I doubt), or you don’t care (which seems far more likely) that transgender persons (not to mention many, many other members of the LGBT community; which happen to number in the tens of millions nationwide) have struggled for decades with bigotry, prejudice, bullying, psychological and physical violence, and even death. Guess what? The attitudes you espouse are contributory. Period.

I ask the following question semi rhetorically; as you’re demonstrably a buffoon of almost cartoonish proportions that has time and again proven incapable of thoughtful and reasoned dialogue. To wit, what “help” do you feel Caitlyn and other transgendered people need? Some form of forced psychiatric counseling while being involuntarily detained in a mental facility? Somehow, I don’t see Jesus being on board with that plan. Of course, the “help” you feel they need amounts to a blanket refutation of the very idea that one’s sexual identity is an inherent trait. Therefore, according to you, there’s something “wrong” with Caitlyn. A short excerpt from an article [from Salon.com] I recently read neatly encompasses the evangelical meltdown that accompanied Caitlyn Jenner’s Vanity Fair cover.

“In the minds of those who hold traditional views on gender (the equipment you’re born with dictates what you are), Jenner’s coming out represents a disquieting departure from the tidy gender basis of the traditional family: one man, one woman, united for the primary purpose of procreation. A subset of conservatives, mainly evangelical Christians, may never accept deviations from this worldview, not on matters of gay rights, nor marriage equality, divorce, gender bending, nor gender transition.

But the future of conservatism is moving in a different direction on at least one related issue, with a strong majority of young Republicans supporting same-sex marriage. While we shouldn’t conflate sexual orientation and gender, a conservative shift on marriage equality is an admission that, as far as our rights are concerned, there are more important things in our lives and in our relationships than forming procreative unions premised on fixed, traditional gender roles. Freedom to marry the people we love, and freedom to embody and perform the gender that our minds tell us we are, turn out to be freedoms that people want to enjoy equally with cisgender, heterosexual couples who already get to choose not to marry, not to reproduce, and not to stay married, all without giving rise to crass media backlash against our choices.

Fair enough, you could say; nobody’s trying to deny Caitlyn Jenner the right or the freedom to be who she is; conservatives just stand in value-opposition to Jenner’s choice to come out to the world as Caitlyn. Here again I ask: if it’s not about the relationship between traditional gender roles and the traditional family—a relationship that cisgender, heterosexual, conservative couples defy all the time—then what exactly is the conservative value that underwrites the backlash against Jenner and her gender transition”?

The answer is unseemly and thus your inability to confront it. You’re a bigot, Christian Bob. On some level you clearly recognize the viewpoints you hold on a wide variety of topics are not only unwelcome in public and mixed company but are not in any kind of way reflected in the mainstream. I’m sure that’s bothersome to you. (Sorry about that!) Furthermore, you’re a resentful and aggrieved bigot. One who conflates the inability to publicly denigrate those whom are different from you without engendering harsh condemnation, (as evidenced in this posting) with persecution.

No, you are not being persecuted. You are being ridiculed for being painfully and unrelentingly derpy. There’s a difference.

If you could ask any of the thousands of young people who have taken their own life’s due to being unable to cope with the unrelenting bullying that accompanies their own struggles with sexual orientation or gender identification, then you might have an actual idea of what persecution means.  . . .”

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Whoa! Word.

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11 replies

  1. Schooled! Awesome job anonymous forum member!!

  2. My Church is Really Holy ©

    by Brenda Jean Louise, Copyright 2004

    My church is really holy,
    The people there are swell.
    They talk about each other,
    And who is going to Hell.

    They love to quote the Bible,
    They’ll give you chapter’n verse.
    They’ll tell you all about you,
    With words so very terse.

    They really love to loathe you,
    The sinner that you are.
    They’re doin’ Christ a favor,
    If they kill you with their car.

    They think they have it figured out,
    Who’s really right and wrong.
    They’re sure that on that Judgment Day,
    They’ll be singing Heaven’s song.

    They missed the fact when Jesus said,
    Some very important words.
    He said, “Judge not lest ye be judged”.
    Oh! That one’s for the birds.

    He tells of love and kindness,
    Not handing you a snake.
    He talks about forgiveness.
    “Well I can’t, for Heaven’s sake.”

    Yes, my church is really holy,
    We have our doctrine straight.
    Unless you come and join us,
    You won’t get through the gates.

    • Well said.

      Problem is Extremist hating Christians like to cherry pick quotes out of the bible to justify their hate/anger of people they don’t like. But then don’t apply those same passages to their own lives. Since If they did. There quite often wouldn’t likely be any one left attending the church service!!

      They’re utter two faced biggotted hypocrites of the highest order.

      My pastor agrees with me on those issues and is progressive enough to support and have no problem with transgender church members.

  3. Excellent, well-phrased refutation of “Christian” Bob. (I think we all should put quotes around “Christian” so we all know what a self-assumed title it is, i.e., about as Christian as Pontius Pilate) I would have used “hypocritical” instead of “derpy” (I think that one went right over “Christian” Bob’s head), but it’s still a damn fine piece of logical rhetoric. (Which sounds like a contradiction in terms, but it’s not if you’re familiar with classical rhetoric. This was an argument from logos and ethos)

    Couldna done better meself. BTW, nice poem, Brenda. You should set it to music.

    (Remember what I said about Jenner taking a nuke each day? This was only an HE ground-pounder. It’ll get much, much worse. Wait’ll they start asking the Republican presidential clown car what they think. Just imagine what Santorum will say…)

  4. Reblogged this on Pasupatidasi's Blog and commented:
    great anonymous reply to a hater regarding the recent revelation of Caitlyn Jenner…

    this response is spot on! more of this, please!

  5. that was a great reply, putting that so-called “christian” in their place. .

  6. I could blather on about what I’s say to “Christian Bob” but the tarot does a much better job.

    At the foot of the Devil stands a man and a woman, both naked and chained to the podium on which the Devil sits. They appear to be held here, against their will, but only closer observation, the chains around their necks are loose and could be easily removed. This symbolises that bondage to the Devil is ultimately a voluntary matter which consciousness can release. The man and woman wear tiny horns like those of the Satyr – they are becoming more and more like the devil the longer they stay here. Both have tails – a further symbol of their animalistic or ‘lower’ tendencies.

    The card of the Devil represents the hidden forces of negativity that constrain you and that trick you into thinking you are imprisoned by external forces ultimately out of your control. The Devil is an inner force within each of us. He represents our fears, addictions, and other harmful impulses. He is a master of deception and creates the illusion that you are involuntarily bound to him. However, the figures in this card are free to remove the chains from around their necks, indicating that they have freely given the Devil any power he has over them.

    When you see the Devil in a reading, ask yourself where you are feeling stuck or restricted in your life. You may be tricked into believing that you are being controlled by external forces when in fact you have created your own chains of imprisonment and powerlessness. A sense of hopelessness can accompany the Devil. You feel despair and have a pessimistic view of life because you feel that so much is outside of your control. You fear the worst, and this means that your fears have a hold over you and prevent you from leading a more fulfilling and optimistic life. What are the addictions or attachments restraining you from experiencing the freedom of the Fool? Are you giving yourself over to the illusion of helplessness and despair? Know that you have the power within to free yourself from the bondage of the Devil.

    The Devil often reflects actual addictions and dependencies in your life, such as alcoholism, drug-taking, unhealthy relationships, over-spending and the like. You think you need something and you are willing to go against what you know to be right and true in order to obtain it. You need to break free of these negative patterns of behaviour by acknowledging the hold that they have over you and the negative impact they are having on your life. Often they are behaviours that are immediately gratifying but which cause longer-term damage to your inner fulfilment.

    More generally, the Devil indicates that you are becoming obsessed and hell-bent on a particular idea, situation or endeavour. You are over-investing yourself in one area at the expense of other areas of your life. Often, the Devil card represents an over-dependence on material wealth. You may have become so fixated on becoming a millionaire or owning a fancy car that you have forgotten the importance of investing in your relationships or yourself. You have generated a belief that value lies in how much you earn or how much you own. You have created an unhealthy bond with these materialistic desires and you are now being controlled by this bondage.

    In other words, cast out your devil.

  7. While I personally do not think that Caitlyn Jenner is the best choice for “unintentional transgender poster person” (too much tabloid baggage). We must embrace her as a sister in the struggle for equality and recognition. We must also remember those who came before, from Lili Elbe and Christine Jorgensen to Lavern Cummings, Hans Crystal and Renee Richards to Kim Petras, Carmen Carrera, Janet Mock, Jenna Talackova and Lavern Cox. To say nothing about these forerunners in our fight would be remiss and even more so would be to ignore all those who have lost their lives in our struggle to get where we are today. Caitlyn Jenner is opening doors that were closed by public perception of the transgender community. We as a community must continue to keep the doors open, not let the idea that all transgender people are cartoon characters, Flip Wilson’s ‘Geraldine’ or drag show contestants slip back into the public’s mindset. If we as a community, allow the public’s opinion of the transgender community to return to the days before Caitlyn Jenner’s coming out, then all this will be for nothing. Just another tabloid show for the entertainment of the public and we’ll again look like a bunch of jokes and clowns.

  8. Christian Bob was shikabobbed with all the trimmings. Gee, is there any left for me, he sounds delicious.

  9. Thanks for all the comments everyone! 🙂

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